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How is eating an animal wrong when other, and A LOT, of animals do it in nature? I CAN and l WILL compare myself to an animal because we’re all living things and a part of the animal kingdom. Sure, we’re on the top of the food chain, but I’m getting sidetracked here. People, like many other animals, are omnivores. Explain to me how following natural instinct is wrong? If you can tell me why doing something that occurs in nature all the time is wrong, in a decent argument, I’d love to hear it.
Yeah, exactly… I mean how can it be wrong to steal or rape, when it occurs in nature all the time? Let alone being violent towards or killing other people, or the children of my new girlfriend that I am not biologically related to. After all, non-human animals do it, right?
[I have to say sorry for being sarcastic. But seriously, did this not occur to the person arguing this way? Or is that different because…?
I really don’t get arguing with “nature”/biology/whatever over ethics, as those are two completely unrelated topics. In other words: Just because we can do something - or it occurs among other species who don’t have ethics or even our own more or less frequently - does not make it morally right.]
So we can go vegan but it does not make it morally right? Some animals don’t eat meat and they don’t have ethics, therefore it doesn’t make it morally right, its just something that can happen within nature.
Not trying to be a dick but I mean you it seems like that’s the kind of logic you’re trying to back that argument up with. By all means correct me if I’m wrong, that’s just how it came off to me.
Someone going vegan doesn’t make them suddenly a better person, it just means they’re vegan. Your diet =/= how good of a person you are
Okay, it seems there was some serious miscommunication here.
My point is that because something happens in hon-human animals, nature, anywhere… is not an argument to justify it on a moral basis. It does not say anything about whether it is ethical or not. It’s neutral. When non-human animals kill each other [same species] for whatever reason, does that say anything about whether it is morally right for us to kill other humans? If you are of the opinion that what occurs in nature is automatically ‘right’, then this is what logically follows. I’m not saying it’s what you think, only that the underlying argument can justify it in the same way.
Now, what non-human animals - or even human animals, for that matter - don’t do has a likewise impact on its correctness on a moral scale: none.
Like I tried to say with the examples, non-human animals do a lot of things which are deemed wrong by common ethical standards. That is, murder their kin, rape or ‘steal’. Even other humans do things we deem morally wrong, don’t they? Does this mean those actions become ‘right’ as soon as someone performs them? A lot of these things are closer related to what one might call “instinct” than behaving in a way guided by ethics. But does that mean we have to act upon it?
And someone going vegan for ethical reasons usually means they have different values than you do. As a result, eating animal products is morally wrong from their perspective [although living vegan is not by definition seen as morally wrong by omnivores or vegetarians].
Your personal experience of oppression doesn’t pardon your contribution to other means of oppression, your suffering doesn’t give you the right to put an innocent third party through equal or worse suffering and the longevity and normalization of an oppressive act doesn’t warrant its continuance.
Vegans don’t give a flying fuck about your “diet.” We don’t turn to other vegans and say, “Hey, maybe you should lay off the french fries.” Because you know what? That’s none of our fucking business.
But when your habits contribute to the death of over 150 billion sentient, feeling, conscious creatures each year, you can bet your ass we’ll have something to say about it. And no, that doesn’t mean we’re forming prayer circles around the deli section, or slapping burgers out of your hands. It means we’re exercising free speech to inform you of the impact of your decisions.
“ The idea that we have the right to inflict suffering and death on other sentient beings for the trivial reasons of palate pleasure and fashion is, without doubt, one of the most arrogant and morally repugnant notions in the history of human thought. ”— Gary L. Francione (via headandstomachaches)
One of the most consistent sources of anger in my life is people who think there’s something brave or rebellious about their bigotry. Like, oh yeah, look at you, echoing the exact same bullshit oppressive norms that have facilitated the massive inequalities in our society since forever, hell yeah fight the power.
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