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March 12 2013

18:57

purehate-loljk:

Boba Fett: Carnist tip # 10

lucif0r:

whateverblogwhatiwant:

How is eating an animal wrong when other, and A LOT, of animals do it in nature? I CAN and l WILL compare myself to an animal because we’re all living things and a part of the animal kingdom. Sure, we’re on the top of the food chain, but I’m getting sidetracked here. People, like many other animals, are omnivores. Explain to me how following natural instinct is wrong? If you can tell me why doing something that occurs in nature all the time is wrong, in a decent argument, I’d love to hear it.

Yeah, exactly… I mean how can it be wrong to steal or rape, when it occurs in nature all the time? Let alone being violent towards or killing other people, or the children of my new girlfriend that I am not biologically related to. After all, non-human animals do it, right?

[I have to say sorry for being sarcastic. But seriously, did this not occur to the person arguing this way? Or is that different because…?

I really don’t get arguing with “nature”/biology/whatever over ethics, as those are two completely unrelated topics. In other words: Just because we can do something - or it occurs among other species who don’t have ethics or even our own more or less frequently - does not make it morally right.]

So we can go vegan but it does not make it morally right? Some animals don’t eat meat and they don’t have ethics, therefore it doesn’t make it morally right, its just something that can happen within nature.

Not trying to be a dick but I mean you it seems like that’s the kind of logic you’re trying to back that argument up with. By all means correct me if I’m wrong, that’s just how it came off to me.


Someone going vegan doesn’t make them suddenly a better person, it just means they’re vegan. Your diet =/= how good of a person you are

Okay, it seems there was some serious miscommunication here.

My point is that because something happens in hon-human animals, nature, anywhere… is not an argument to justify it on a moral basis. It does not say anything about whether it is ethical or not. It’s neutral. When non-human animals kill each other [same species] for whatever reason, does that say anything about whether it is morally right for us to kill other humans? If you are of the opinion that what occurs in nature is automatically ‘right’, then this is what logically follows. I’m not saying it’s what you think, only that the underlying argument can justify it in the same way.

Now, what non-human animals - or even human animals, for that matter - don’t do has a likewise impact on its correctness on a moral scale: none.

Like I tried to say with the examples, non-human animals do a lot of things which are deemed wrong by common ethical standards. That is, murder their kin, rape or ‘steal’. Even other humans do things we deem morally wrong, don’t they? Does this mean those actions become ‘right’ as soon as someone performs them? A lot of these things are closer related to what one might call “instinct” than behaving in a way guided by ethics. But does that mean we have to act upon it?

And someone going vegan for ethical reasons usually means they have different values than you do. As a result, eating animal products is morally wrong from their perspective [although living vegan is not by definition seen as morally wrong by omnivores or vegetarians].

16:34

Boba Fett: Carnist tip # 10

whateverblogwhatiwant:

How is eating an animal wrong when other, and A LOT, of animals do it in nature? I CAN and l WILL compare myself to an animal because we’re all living things and a part of the animal kingdom. Sure, we’re on the top of the food chain, but I’m getting sidetracked here. People, like many other animals, are omnivores. Explain to me how following natural instinct is wrong? If you can tell me why doing something that occurs in nature all the time is wrong, in a decent argument, I’d love to hear it.

Yeah, exactly… I mean how can it be wrong to steal or rape, when it occurs in nature all the time? Let alone being violent towards or killing other people, or the children of my new girlfriend that I am not biologically related to. After all, non-human animals do it, right?

[I have to say sorry for being sarcastic. But seriously, did this not occur to the person arguing this way? Or is that different because…?

I really don’t get arguing with “nature”/biology/whatever over ethics, as those are two completely unrelated topics. In other words: Just because we can do something - or it occurs among other species who don’t have ethics or even our own more or less frequently - does not make it morally right.]

March 04 2013

nymph
00:58

February 27 2013

15:56

vegan-because-fuck-you:

Your personal experience of oppression doesn’t pardon your contribution to other means of oppression, your suffering doesn’t give you the right to put an innocent third party through equal or worse suffering and the longevity and normalization of an oppressive act doesn’t warrant its continuance.

15:54
Good people don’t need laws to tell them to act responsibly, and bad people will find a way around the laws.
— Plato (via dauphinexvx)
Reposted by84625l 84625l

February 23 2013

00:53

February 21 2013

16:05
Each and every animal on earth has as much right to be here as you and me.
— Anthony Douglas Williams (via dauphinexvx)
Reposted bykuroi-ameTinchenTiffanys
15:50

badveganwolf:

Vegans don’t give a flying fuck about your “diet.” We don’t turn to other vegans and say, “Hey, maybe you should lay off the french fries.” Because you know what? That’s none of our fucking business.

But when your habits contribute to the death of over 150 billion sentient, feeling, conscious creatures each year, you can bet your ass we’ll have something to say about it. And no, that doesn’t mean we’re forming prayer circles around the deli section, or slapping burgers out of your hands. It means we’re exercising free speech to inform you of the impact of your decisions.

13:51
An anarchist is someone who doesn’t need a cop to make them behave.
— Ammon Hennacy (via dauphinexvx)
13:28

February 16 2013

nymph
23:29

February 14 2013

11:33
Just because we can doesn’t mean we should. Just because we always have doesn’t mean we always have to. Once we know better, we should choose better.
— Colleen Patrick-Goudreau (via pureveganimagination)
Reposted bykuroi-amemr-absentia

February 06 2013

13:25
Does veganism require a “sacrifice”? Yes. It requires that you give up that which you never had any right to in the first place.
— Gary L. Francione (via tailscasalena)

February 05 2013

16:23
2639 0a45

veganmovement2012:

Listen to Gary’s powerful speech here (available in many languages): www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4 —

February 03 2013

22:02

Just one Ally

When we see something going on that’s Not Right, often we face ourselves with a false dichotomy—either do The Right Thing, confront them or call the cops or blow a whistle… or do nothing because you blew it. And doing The Right Thing can be hard if you’re not sure that what you saw was wrong, or real, or any of your business.

It’s easy to judge people for seeing something horrible and not responding, but I think most of us have been there. We’ve been in that nail-biting state of being horribly distressed by what we saw, but unable to act in the moment—more afraid of making a fuss over nothing than about letting someone get away with something horrible. Sounds stupid when you spell it out. But it’s a real state that humans are really subject to, and saying “well, don’t do that” doesn’t fix it.

[…]

Giving me speeches about “enabling” and “all evil needs is for good people to stand by” and so forth doesn’t help. What would’ve helped? Just one ally. Just one person who turned to me and said “they’re trying to get us to cover up for a molester, right?” would’ve made all the difference. Just one person who let me know my concerns weren’t all in my head. Just one person to check myself against, and I might have been able to say “we’re telling about this.”

Tags: society ethics
Reposted byLukasYorkHolden22

January 29 2013

14:48
The idea that we have the right to inflict suffering and death on other sentient beings for the trivial reasons of palate pleasure and fashion is, without doubt, one of the most arrogant and morally repugnant notions in the history of human thought.
— Gary L. Francione (via headandstomachaches)
14:42

January 24 2013

14:28

Vegans who think all omnivores are the devil

veganprobs:

(the majority of vegans started out as omnivores, and then we found something or someone that changed our mind. Be that influence for other people instead of signing them off as assholes)

January 23 2013

10:50

People who genuinely believe animals cannot feel pain

January 22 2013

20:53

class-snuggle:

One of the most consistent sources of anger in my life is people who think there’s something brave or rebellious about their bigotry. Like, oh yeah, look at you, echoing the exact same bullshit oppressive norms that have facilitated the massive inequalities in our society since forever, hell yeah fight the power.

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